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Last post 10-17-2006, 7:01 AM by Agil. 4 replies.
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  •  10-12-2006, 6:59 AM 639

    oil types

    My mechanic reccommends the Shell Rotella oil for my rebuild as it has higher levels of zinc.  What oils are beings used other than Castrol 20/50?
  •  10-12-2006, 7:28 AM 643 in reply to 639

    Re: oil types

    After I rebuild my 63B with a 5 main engine, I began using Mobil 1 15w-50.  Seems to be the right choice.  It's been around 4 or 5 years ago. No problems. Turns over enough in colder weather here in WI.
  •  10-12-2006, 10:01 AM 671 in reply to 639

    Re: oil types

    jwhite75B:
    My mechanic reccommends the Shell Rotella oil for my rebuild as it has higher levels of zinc. What oils are beings used other than Castrol 20/50?


    Zinc additives are intended for extreme pressure conditions much like what you would see with flat tappets. Typically engine oils intended for such an environment are called HDEO (Heavy Duty Engine Oil) and are usually recommended for diesel engines due to their excellent shear stability. Standard motor oils for gasoline engines are referred to as PCMO (Passenger Car Motor Oil). The downside to high Zinc content oils is that the Zinc can have adverse affects on catalytic converters. I believe Shell Rotella T is of this type as is Chevron Delo 400 (which can be purchased at Costco for a very good price.) and Mobil Delvac.

    Also, keep in mind Shell Rotella T for 2007 will have less zinc than previously:

    Is Shell Rotella® T motor oil going to have less zinc in 2007?

    Yes. The API CJ-4 (next generation) Shell ROTELLA® T multigrade motor oil will have a slightly lower level of zinc than the current API API CI-4 PLUS Shell ROTELLA® T. Zinc is typically used as part of the anti-wear system within the oil. However, less zinc in API CJ-4 oils compared with API CI-4 PLUS oils does not mean increased wear. In fact, wear protection is one of the key areas where the API CJ-4 category provides improvements over API CI-4 PLUS. (Other areas include; oxidation stability and soot control). The new API CJ-4 Shell ROTELLA® T multigrade motor oil also meets the requirements of earlier API performance categories such as API CI-4 PLUS, CI-4, CH-4, CG-4, as well as others, and can be used in engines specifying any of these performance categories.

    From: http://www.shell-lubricants.com/CJ4/cj4_faq.html

    That’s not to say it won’t work better than a typical motor oil (in your engine) as it’s still classified as an HDEO. Just something to think about.

    Choosing a motor oil will also be based on your weather, how you drive the car, how often you drive, and whether you want to consider extended oil change intervals. If you plan to change the oil every 3000 miles no-matter-what, don’t waste your money on synthetic motor oil. In my opinion, unless you live in a hot environment, or you have a very tired engine, a 20w50 dino-juice (organic oil) is a bit thick at the cold end. I’d probably opt for an organic HDEO in either a 15w40 or 15w50 flavor unless you plan to race it.

    Ultimately, if really want to know how your oil is doing in your engine, I recommend paying for an oil analysis every once a while to check out the condition of your oil and your engine. I use Blackstone Laboratories (www.blackstone-labs.com) and have been very happy with the information they provide and quick turnaround.

    Hope this helps.

    Regards,

    Adrian


    Adrian Avgerinos | Mechanical Engineer
    Global Sourcing Department | Moss Motors, LTD
  •  10-12-2006, 10:26 AM 679 in reply to 639

    Re: oil types

    Castrol was asked about this (not by me). Their response:

    Thank you for contacting Castrol

    Please see below the zinc levels we have available:


    GTX Line 0.075

    Grand Prix 4T 0.1

    GP Racing 0.1

    SYNTEC 0.1


    As indicated on our product packaging, the current engine oil category
    API SL/ILSAC GF-4 is fully backwards compatible or 'back serviceable'
    and has been extensively tested. Valve train issues are not anticipated
    with the use of modern engine oil in older cars of OEM stock
    configuration. In fact, current SL/GF-4 engine oils are subjected to
    testing that is far more intensive than engine oils of previous
    API/ILSAC categories.

    To clarify, in general, ZDDP levels have been reduced a small amount in
    the current category engine oils (API SL/ILSAC GF-4) in compliance with
    industry regulations that set maximum levels of Sulphur and Phosphorus,
    but are still at levels that provide ample engine protection.

    Special procedures have always been recommended for the proper initial
    break-in of a new, matched, cam and lifter set; which include the use of
    a properly formulated cam break-in lubricant paste which typically
    contains a healthy dose of molybdenum. Engine oil alone is typically
    insufficient for break-in of a new cam and lifter set, particularly in a
    vintage engine type built to historic specifications.

    In regards to camshaft failure, Camshaft failure can be attributed to
    numerous possible causes. Only a thorough analysis of each case can
    identify the root cause(s) of any failure.

    We trust this information addresses your concerns.

    Thank you again for your interest in Castrol, The Technology Leader!



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  •  10-17-2006, 7:01 AM 1169 in reply to 679

    Re: oil types

    Hi, I have almost 4 years using Mobil 1 in my A and for me works really good, I change the oil once a year ( I use my car only 4 or 5 months in winter due our spring and summer are very hot), every two years I change the oil pan cork gasket and inside the engine is very clean.