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MGA Brake problems

Last post 11-15-2006, 9:25 PM by dgreene. 7 replies.
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  •  11-10-2006, 7:30 PM 2347

    MGA Brake problems

    I recently did a brake job on my 1959 MGA. I bleed the system and my brakes still do not work properly.   When I press the pedal it goes to the floor, if a pump the pedal it gets firm and stays firm but if I release the pedal for 15 seconds it goes to the floor again when I press it.  I can not find any leaks in the system and I bleed them again tonight just to make sure there was not any air.   I am using dot5 fluid. I am guessing the the master cylinder is the issue but I was told when I bought the car a few months ago that it was recently rebuilt.  Any suggestions would be great. Thank you.  David
    David Greene
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  •  11-11-2006, 8:20 AM 2353 in reply to 2347

    Re: MGA Brake problems

    David,

    If pumping the gives you a firm and reasonably high pedal you have not got a hydraulic problem.Period. When you pump the pedal on a drum braked car, you are progressively jacking the shoes closer and closer to the drums. When you release the pedal between pumps, the shoes do not fully retract back onto their stops. This allows them to make further progress on the next pump. In other words,if you have to pump the brakes up you have an adjustment or mechanical problem at the incdividual wheel brake(s). When you release the pedal and stay off of it, the shoes retract all the way as the cylinders bottom out. The next time you step on the pedal you have to start the process over again.

    The adjuster "snails" and "masks" on MGAs are notorious for not wanting to hold an adjustment when they become old. They are often overlooked during a brake overhaul, and it's easy to see why if you add up the cost of replacing all of them..

    I have also recently encountered the problem of wrongly manufactured brake shoes which couldn't be adjusted far enough to contact the drum even if the adjuster was turned so far it went "over the top" and returned to "zero". In this vein, look for drums which have worn or been machined out of tolerance and are to large in diameter to have the shoes ever reach them with one pump!!

    Also, the MGA master cylinder pushrod from the pedal is adjustable for length. Make sure that you have minimal but DEFINITE free play with the pedal in the relaxed position. The shop manual covers this and I suggest you read it thoroughly.I hope some of this helps. If not, repost and we'll go from there.

     


    Motorbill
    From Lola to Land Rover, If it's British and has wheels, it's likely I've bloodied me knuckles thereupon
  •  11-11-2006, 9:43 AM 2356 in reply to 2347

    Re: MGA Brake problems

    DOT 5 fluid can be difficult to bleed.  Get the brakes firm, then press hard on the pedal and hold pressure on it.  Does it slowly sink down or does it stay where it is?  If it sinks, you have a bad MC.  If not I would guess you need to bleed the system better.  There are more factors involved but this is the quickest and easiest test.

  •  11-11-2006, 2:22 PM 2360 in reply to 2356

    Re: MGA Brake problems

    Once I pump them up to firm them stay firm with pressure. If I release for a few seconds and then press again they are no longer firm.  I will try and bleed them again.  Here is how I am bleeding them.   Start at drvier rear, then passenger rear, passenger front, driver front.   I open the bleed valve, have someone pump the brakes until all bubbles are gone, close the valve when the brakes are pressed to the floor. And then go on to the next.   Am I doing anything wrong?   Thank you.  David


    David Greene
  •  11-11-2006, 11:19 PM 2375 in reply to 2360

    Re: MGA Brake problems

    Sounds about right, but be sure to close the bleed valve before the helper lets the pedal up.  Open valve, press pedal to floor, close valve, release pedal, repeat.  Also, make sure the helper is pressing with some force.  Sometimes pressing slowly will not force all the air out.

  •  11-14-2006, 10:16 AM 2429 in reply to 2375

    Re: MGA Brake problems

    Make sure to read motorbill66's advice above as well. It had got stuck in Forum Limbo and is well-worth paying attention to. Yes

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  •  11-14-2006, 10:52 PM 2457 in reply to 2429

    Re: MGA Brake problems

    Indeed, sound advise.  I had a similar problem with the adjusters going beyond the last notch and back to "zero".  All of Bill's reasons for this are quite valid!

  •  11-15-2006, 9:25 PM 2489 in reply to 2353

    Re: MGA Brake problems

    Motorbill66, Thank you so much.  I check the snails on the front and they were no longer adjusted, I adjusted and the brakes are much better. I actually went for a ride tonight. Please send me you mailing address if you want and I will send something to say thanks.  David 
    David Greene