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Bouncing fuel gauge

Last post 09-23-2009, 7:00 PM by bn11954. 9 replies.
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  •  07-21-2009, 7:45 PM 20341

    Bouncing fuel gauge

    motorbill66, did you find out how your office manager stopped his MG A fuel gauge bouncing around?
  •  07-22-2009, 7:28 AM 20348 in reply to 20341

    Re: Bouncing fuel gauge

    Run it out of gas!
    On their death bed, nobody ever said, "Gee I wish I'd spent more time at work!"

    '68 Sprite 1275
    '76 Midget 1500
  •  07-22-2009, 8:07 AM 20349 in reply to 20341

    Re: Bouncing fuel gauge

    bn11954,

    Sorry. I didn't mean to ignore this, but life and business got in the way, as sometimes they do.

    It seems what my office manager actually did was to calibrate his gauge, not cure the "swings", from which many of these gauges suffer. However, I just spoke to him about the phenomenon, and what he says has the ring of truth to it, for I have also been subject to this problem, mostly in MGAs.

    Now, the MGA uses a gauge which employs balancing two electromagnets in opposition to each other to suspend the needle counterweight between them. More fuel, which moves the float and therefore the resistor wiper in one direction, results in one magnet exerting more force and moving the needle in the FULL direction. Less fuel has the opposite effect.

    What Cliff says is that the only thing likely to cause this is a connection which is tenuous at best, and keeps making and breaking. This is most likely in the sender, but could be anywhere in the electrical "chain" of the system. Does your needle bounce when standing still? Probably not, though it's concievable that fuel, which continues to slosh about may be the cause. It's more likely that this happens when you're driving, with small bumps bringing about the connected-disconnected condition. Let me know how this sounds to you. Others?


    Motorbill
    From Lola to Land Rover, If it's British and has wheels, it's likely I've bloodied me knuckles thereupon
  •  07-30-2009, 6:29 PM 20467 in reply to 20349

    Re: Bouncing fuel gauge

    Motorbil

    I'm sorry it has taken so long to reply, but being new to the forum I've had trouble getting the reply button showing and working.

    The bouncing needle is due to fuel sloshing around the tank when cornering, braking, etc.

    I've ordered a "Fuel Gauge Dampener" from Zims Autotechnic and when I have it installed I'll let you know if it works.

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    "Fuel gauge dampener

    Slows needle fluctuations in fuel gauge, Zims PNZIM.201.000.XX-price as of 7/29/08 $19.95. Phone 800-356-2964. Substitute appropriate crimp-on connectors for the Porsche ones shown in this picture. Center connection (double wire) attaches to wire from Tank sender. Right wire attaches to T terminal where Tank wire was formerly attached. Brown Ground wire is in addition to the ground wire from the gauge body, not instead of it."

     

    bn11954

     

     

  •  09-18-2009, 6:27 PM 21091 in reply to 20467

    Re: Bouncing fuel gauge

    I've at last got and fitted the Zims Dampener, the only thing it does is slow the gauge needle when the ignition is switched on.  At all other times it makes no difference, the needle still fluctuates when going around corners, So I guess I'l have to live with it.

    bn11954

  •  09-19-2009, 6:29 AM 21095 in reply to 21091

    Re: Bouncing fuel gauge

    bn11954

    I have no experience with the "Zims Dampener", if it's a capacitor, then ignore the rest of this post.

    You could install a capacitor on the wire of your sending unit. A capacitor is best thought of as a rechargeable battery. It charges and discharges, and by doing this, effectively it will oppose the rapid changes in voltage from your sender. It will act like a shock absorber for your fuel gauge needle.

    The tough part is knowing what value to use. The bigger the capacitor, the more obvious the effect. I would probably go with an electrolytic, 470uF (micro-farads) /25V and take it from there. You could easily modify the capacitance to your liking if need be. 

    Polarity IS IMPORTANT!! Get it wrong, and the capacitor will blow-up! Luckily, polarity is easy to determine. If your car is negative ground, connect the negative lead of the capacitor to the chassis, and the positive lead to the sending unit wire. Reverse this for a positive ground vehicle.

    good luck!

     


    On their death bed, nobody ever said, "Gee I wish I'd spent more time at work!"

    '68 Sprite 1275
    '76 Midget 1500
  •  09-22-2009, 7:32 PM 21138 in reply to 21095

    Re: Bouncing fuel gauge

    Davey

    I removed the heat shrink from it and found it is - 1 Farad 5.5 Volt.

    The 5.5 Volt seems a bit odd, but it was for an very early Porsche which could have been 6 Volt.

    I'll try a 470uF/25V or 1000uF/25V but it may be some time before I can get to the Electronics store.

     Don

     

  •  09-22-2009, 7:40 PM 21139 in reply to 21138

    Re: Bouncing fuel gauge

    You could install a fitting to the back of the gauge and give it 4 or 5 strokes of the grease gun... Wink
    I want my MGB
  •  09-23-2009, 8:01 AM 21142 in reply to 21138

    Re: Bouncing fuel gauge

    WOW, 1 Farad! That would be about the size of a 55 gal drum! Are you sure it's not 1 uF? -1 microfarad-

    Since the cap is that small, try a 47uF instead of that 470 or 1000 in my other post. Again, the cap value can be tweaked  to your liking, but if you currenty have a 1uF, a 47uF/25V will slow the movement to about 1/50th of what you currently have.


    On their death bed, nobody ever said, "Gee I wish I'd spent more time at work!"

    '68 Sprite 1275
    '76 Midget 1500
  •  09-23-2009, 7:00 PM 21151 in reply to 21142

    Re: Bouncing fuel gauge

    Davey

     I'm sorry it is 0.1F 5.5V Elna PCB capacitor (13mm Dia x 12mm long), listed in our local Electronics Store as a Super Capacitor.

    The only other one they have listed is 1F 5.5V

    I'm confused.

     Don.