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77 MGB won't start after I cleaned the engine compartment

Last post 04-08-2009, 7:35 AM by tdkroupa. 4 replies.
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  •  04-06-2009, 6:18 AM 18724

    77 MGB won't start after I cleaned the engine compartment

    Hi All,

    Just new to the forum, and happy to be here. 

    Just bought my 77 MGB Roadster.  I power washed the engine compartment, it was real dirty.  I had a local detail shop do it in Boise.  We had to blow dry the distributor to get it to start at his shop.  i drove it home, started it a few times in my garage.  My son took it out later that day and it would not start at night.  I towed it home and it stil sits.

    The engine turns over fine.  I ordered and put in new spark plugs, a distributor cap. No difference.  I also bought the other distributor parts but have not been installed yet.  when I first got the car a month ago, when i would turn the key there would be an electrical wine sound, it was normal like the fuel pump or something, not sure exactly what is was. That sound is gone now.  I pulled a spark plug and it appears that there is fuel on the plug.

    Not sure if it is electrical of something else.  Not sure if the coil is bad or what i should check next.  Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.

     Tim in Boise

     

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  •  04-07-2009, 10:40 AM 18741 in reply to 18724

    Re: 77 MGB won't start after I cleaned the engine compartment

    Tim,

    First, Let's check for spark, as it's one of only three things you need to make a car run. The other two are fuel (air and gasoline), and compression.

    Since the car has run for you, we can assume the compression is adequate. ALWAYS check for spark FIRST, then fuel.

    Disconnect the large diameter wire that runs from the center of the distributor cap to the center of the coil, from the cap. Insert a number two phillips head screwdriver into the metal end on this wire. Holding the screwdriver by the handle (Don't touch the metal blade or if you are getting spark you'll REALLY know it!) place some portion of the blade within about 1/4" of the engine block, where you can observe the gap. I like to use a head bolt or stud for this. Now, being careful not to touch the blade, have someone crank the engine over with the ignition on. Make sure the car is out of gear!

    If the ignition system is working, there should be a bright purple/blue spark in the space you left between the blade and the block. No spark? We have narrowed down the possibilities a LOT. Yes spark? Now put the wire back into the coil and try each spark plug wire the same way. Remove the wire from the plug and substitute the screwdriver point, just as with the coil wire. Spark at all plugs? The problem is not ignition, with the exception that the timing could concievably be so far off that it's causing trouble. Otherwise, check for fuel delivery.

    In your post you mention a whine which you felt was the fuel pump. This may be, but if it's so, the fuel pump is not the stock SU unit, which emits a ticking sound when it's pumping fuel. This sound is intermittent since the pump only runs on demand. When you first turn on the ignition, you should eperience a bit of ticking, followed by silence. To check for delivery, disconnect the fuel supply line at the feed to the carburetter, point the line into a coffee can or something else that's "gasoline proof". Trust me, styrofoam coffee cups don't work. I was one of the pioneers on finding this out a looooong time ago...  Anyhow, when the key is turned on, fuel should come out of this hose at a pretty good clip. Be ready to turn off the key.

    OK, look into this stuff and get back to us. We'll figger it out!! 


    Motorbill
    From Lola to Land Rover, If it's British and has wheels, it's likely I've bloodied me knuckles thereupon
  •  04-07-2009, 3:15 PM 18750 in reply to 18741

    Re: 77 MGB won't start after I cleaned the engine compartment

    Bill,

    Thanks for the info, i was on the same line, but the mechanics issues are new to me.  I have restored a 1954 M38A1 Jeep willys last year, but did not touch the engine.  I appreciate the info, i am sure i will have more issues pop up as i am just starting this new project along with another 1958 Willys CJ5 this summer.  I am sure i will need more assistance in the future if you do not mind.

    Are you in Denver.  I live in Boise, but am in Omaha right now, bit driving to Ft. Collins on Thursday to visit my sister.  Will leave for Boise on Saturday.  I see from your bio you have a car company.  I would love to come and visit and see your shop if you are available.

    Tim

     

     

  •  04-07-2009, 4:12 PM 18752 in reply to 18750

    Re: 77 MGB won't start after I cleaned the engine compartment

    Tim,

    We'd love to give you the nickle tour. Our address is:

                        The Motorway, Ltd., 124 Racquette Drive, Fort Collins, Colorado 80524    Ph. 970 472 8141

    To see exactly where we are, look at the website:

                       www.motorwayltd.com

    If you need further instruction, call when you're close and we'll "talk you in".

     


    Motorbill
    From Lola to Land Rover, If it's British and has wheels, it's likely I've bloodied me knuckles thereupon
  •  04-08-2009, 7:35 AM 18766 in reply to 18752

    Re: 77 MGB won't start after I cleaned the engine compartment

    Bill,

    Looked you up and you are 1.5 miles south from my sister's house.  I will try to get to your shop on Friday AM, after I have a couple cups of coffee, can't do much with out the coffee.  See you around 9AM.  I am writing down my questions for the things I have to fix, always like to ask the experts face to face.  Looking forward to meeting you and seeing your shop.

     

    Tim