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Misfire when cold.

Last post 07-20-2009, 5:35 PM by davey. 8 replies.
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  •  07-17-2009, 7:57 PM 20292

    Misfire when cold.

    Hi Folks,

    I have a very minor issue with my 67B. The engine is rebuilt & run in, and all ignition components, plugs, carbs, are in good condition. When starting from cold e.g. first thing in the morning, there is a slight misfire & splutter that really makes itself known by the time you reach 3000rpm. However in 2-3 miles the car runs sweetly, and the splutter will not return all day e.g. drive to work at 8:30, start up again at 5:30 and she's just fine

    I had something similar a while back that was cured by replacing Champion spark plugs with the appropriate NGK's (which I have now). I'm a little surprised that the issue has returned.

    Any thoughts please? 

    Cheers,

    Ed


    I want my MGB
  •  07-18-2009, 4:48 AM 20294 in reply to 20292

    Re: Misfire when cold.

    Ed, a long-shot here but....

    Since the car is otherwise fine after it warms up a bit, this could be a simple as a less than perfect crimp on an ignition wire. I know they're new, but....(you know the drill).

    A touch of heat expands the terminal, thus making better connection to the conductor. I'd look at the spark plug ends first. 


    On their death bed, nobody ever said, "Gee I wish I'd spent more time at work!"

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    '76 Midget 1500
  •  07-18-2009, 9:16 AM 20297 in reply to 20294

    Re: Misfire when cold.

    Good thoughts davey, I'll check through the system whilst cold and see if there is anything obvious. I do have a spare distributor cap that might be worth a try also.

     One other thing that always bugs me about the ignition leads for the rear cylinders is that they run very close to the heater valve and dipstick . I don't know if this could result in a loss of spark at times.

    I'll do some poking about.

    Cheers,

    Ed


    I want my MGB
  •  07-18-2009, 10:14 AM 20299 in reply to 20297

    Re: Misfire when cold.

    It is true that spark will jump at those points first, but it's not a concern with new(er) wires.

    Dielectric breakdown of the insulator happens over time. It is due to the very high potential energy on those conductors. In short, the electrons have such a big push on them, they're screaming to get out of the way! Over time, they eventually will blast holes through the insulation to find ground. It is at those points where the problem will be most noticeable, but don't worry about that a year or two (or 3).


    On their death bed, nobody ever said, "Gee I wish I'd spent more time at work!"

    '68 Sprite 1275
    '76 Midget 1500
  •  07-18-2009, 8:12 PM 20304 in reply to 20299

    Re: Misfire when cold.

    Ed, you might be able to see a misguided spark jump after it gets dark.

     Do you think that the mixture is too lean ?  Maybe when the engine heats up it's better able to handle it.

  •  07-18-2009, 9:31 PM 20306 in reply to 20304

    Re: Misfire when cold.

    Davey - that's basically what I thought. I've quite a bit of experience with electronics and some high tension stuff. It's just that I had always noticed the way these wires sit, and it made me wonder. I know the HT will come through the bakelite top of the plug connector as I found that out in the early days when I thought one might be loose and tried to adjust it whilst the engine was running... Ooochyerbogger!

    Poolboy - Thats another good suggestion, and one I considered myself, as the mixture has just been adjusted to correct for richness. However, whilst I was misfiring down the road the other morning, I had the presence of mind to try fiddling with the choke, but richening the mixture only seemed to make matters worse. I suppose something could be loose...

     I'll look it over tomorrow perhaps, but my other English project is deserving of some time - A 1978 Raleigh Super Course bicycle frame (made in my home county of Nottinghamshire) that I'm building up. All classic brit stuff though!

     Cheers,

     

    Ed

     


    I want my MGB
  •  07-19-2009, 7:12 PM 20315 in reply to 20306

    Re: Misfire when cold.

    Right then.

    I made a list of things to check and had a really good poke around under the bonnet this morning. Here's what I found:

    Spark plugs were sooty, notably those from cylinders 2&3, so I cleaned them all and will reset the mixture next time there's a chance for a good run. Otherwise they were bone dry, with no sign of oil.

    The points were rather below the correct clearence, so were cleaned, reset and the timing checked. Rotor and cap were cleaned thoroughly with lighter fluid and allowed to dry well...

    I went through the coil & distributor spade connections, but also found that the connections in the fuse box were not very clean. Although they measured OK with the multimeter, I pulled all the spade connectors & cleaned significant deposits off all the tabs. This included the interconnections that the fuse box provides (separately) for the brown circuit and white circuit distributions.

    Carburetors were firmly mounted and had free moving pistons, throttles and choke mechanisms. Manifold was firm on the cylinder head, but the exhaust system to exhaust manifold union needed attention. One of the brass nuts was missing and the other five were barely tight, so I wonder about leakage here perhaps contributing to running problems.

    After all this fiddling, the car started and ran nicely, though it was already quite warm outside - being mid morning by the time I turned the key. I need to do a better cold start test, but fingers crossed, things are improved.

    Cheers,

    Ed


    I want my MGB
  •  07-20-2009, 10:42 AM 20322 in reply to 20315

    Re: Misfire when cold.

    Result!

    Fired up the car this morning to take my Son to preschool, and was met with the healthy thrum of four happy cylinders. Nowt' so much as a hesitation right from go.

    :)

     Ed


    I want my MGB
  •  07-20-2009, 5:35 PM 20327 in reply to 20322

    Re: Misfire when cold.

    ...and there was much rejoicing!

     Good Going Ed ol' boy!


    On their death bed, nobody ever said, "Gee I wish I'd spent more time at work!"

    '68 Sprite 1275
    '76 Midget 1500