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Last post 07-30-2007, 4:08 PM by KelvinD@Moss. 13 replies.
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  •  05-15-2007, 5:16 PM 6917

    15 inch Panasports

    I've ordered 15 inch Panasports. Moss Recommends aas follows:

    +2 WHEEL DIAMETER: 15"

    Tire Choices: 185/55-15

    (diameter 584.5 mm)

    195/50-15 (diameter 576.0 mm)

    205/50-15 (diameter 586 mm)

    Recommended +2 size


    I'm also redoing my complete suspension with springs, shocks, etc from Ted at TSI.


    Does anyone know if (or care to recommend) if 205/50-15 will rub? Does anyone have first hand experience with a particular tire. I would hate to buy to then have it rub. And I'm not about to roll fenders.


    Larry


    1962 TR4, 1973 TR6, 1981 TR8
  •  05-15-2007, 9:37 PM 6927 in reply to 6917

    Re: 15 inch Panasports

    SCguy,

    Neither 195 nor 205 will rub, but both will be WAY undersize in diameter. We usually fit 205/70R15. These are the same diameter as original equipment and have no clearance problem. If you are determined to go to a wider tire, you'll have to do some more research. Go onto some tire manufacturers websites and find the tire data charts. There you'll find lot's of info about the actual measurements of that manufacturer's tires in the sizes you are contemplating. The fact is, it's not just the tire. It's also the offset of the wheel. We have just managed to stuff some MONSTER Goodyear Eagles on 16 inch Panaspoirts onto a much modified and lowered TR-6. We achieved stock diameter, lowered stance, very wide tires, and NO rubbing. But it took some research. Consult one of the Triumph chat sites to see what's possible. I can do some checking if you'll repost and tell me what you are trying to achieve.


    Motorbill
    From Lola to Land Rover, If it's British and has wheels, it's likely I've bloodied me knuckles thereupon
  •  05-16-2007, 6:06 AM 6934 in reply to 6927

    Re: 15 inch Panasports

    Also, Tirerack.com has specs on most all of the popular tires.  Do a search by tire size.  You can get the outside dia. tread width ect.
    72 MGB 80 TR8
    Pittsburgh PA
  •  05-16-2007, 2:04 PM 6947 in reply to 6934

    Re: 15 inch Panasports

    Tire guys-

    I used to sell alot of tires and I have a number of observations to make:

    1) I like to match the stock diameter of the tire to maintain speedo accuracy.

    2) The wider the tire the wider the tire contact patch or the greater the amount of tread on the road is not always the case! If you put a relatively wide tire on a relatively narrow rim the narrow rim will pinch in on the beads of the tire and curl up the inside and outside edge of the tire diminishing the contact surface. Also, the pinched in sidewall of the tire will be floppy and reduce the transient response of the tire (The car will be slow to respond to steering inputs) This is not what you want in a sportscar.  In fact, a wider rim will cause the sidewalll of the tire to become stiffer resulting in crisper response and more grip all else remaining the same. If you look at a picture of a Formula one car you will notice that the rim is usually wider than the tread of the tire! Those guys know how to make a car handle. The rim pinching effect does not take a wide discrepancy in tire to rim size to occur.

    Case in point: My Mustang (I know, this is a British Car site  but tires and wheels are tires and wheels) has15x8 rims front and rear. The front tires are225/50ZR15, Any bigger rub on the upper ball joint. The rear are245/50ZR15.

    Here's the punch line...Even though the rear tires are 20 mm wider they have the same tire contact patch as the front tires due to the phenomenon I described above! How do I know this?  My driveway is dusty and you can clearly see the contact patch the tire makes in the dust on the tire. One day I actually measured it.

    So what does this mean? The 225/50-15s have a tread width that is about ten percent bigger than the rim width.It seems like any wider tread would give no benefit and may actually hinder the car's handling. It could even be that a narrower tire would still have the same contact patch! Anyway, it seems if you are going to run 205s on your car the rim should be, at minimum 90 percent of that width= 7.25 inches wide or you will just be adding weight, expense and lost responsiveness to your car.

    If you don't believe me there is a book titled "How to Make Your Car Handle" by Fred Puhn which will explain the point in depth. It's an awesome book with stuff that can be applied to any car.

    Allright guys, I said it- Now let me have it!

    LCJUTILA (Not the law, just my opinion)

    P.S.- I'm going to get the rear rims widened an inch on the Mustang to fix the problem.
     

  •  05-16-2007, 3:18 PM 6949 in reply to 6947

    Re: 15 inch Panasports

    From The Tire Rack, 205/50 15 BF Goodrich TA KD (extreme performance summer) recomended rim width range is 5.5 to 7.5 inch.  They measured the section width on a 6.5 rim which I suspect is the absolute optimum.  Your Panasports are most likely 6 inch unless you bought an optional width so you would be fine.  Depends on what you want to do with the car I suppose.  As I stated in another post, there are a lot more extreme & ultra high performance tires in 205/50 15.  Probably has something to do with that being the size for Mazda Miatas, Dodge Neon and some other less obscure cars.  If you want sticky for occasional autocrossing, that may be more important to you than the speedo.  I think Bill answered your question about rubbing.  Just wish a set would fit on my B without major work.
    72 MGB 80 TR8
    Pittsburgh PA
  •  05-16-2007, 4:52 PM 6953 in reply to 6949

    Re: 15 inch Panasports

    Underdog-

    I guess your not buying what I'm selling. That's O.K.. Maybe someone could call the Tire Rack and talk to someone and let us know what they say?

    Also, Section Width is the width of the tire at its widest point when it is mounted on a rim of a specific width. It measures the tire at the bulge in the sidewalls and is NOT a measure of the width of the tread contact patch. The section width is used to figure out tire clearance issues, not  how much of the tread is on the ground. The wider the rim, the more tread contact patch width will be acheived .
     

    LCJUTILA 

  •  05-17-2007, 5:11 AM 6962 in reply to 6953

    Re: 15 inch Panasports

    Their website has most anything you would want to know includeing reviews from customers that have used the various tires.  However, if someone wants to talk to a real person, they have people who are more than happy to do so.  I think this thread is getting way off the original question which was if 205s would rub?  I didn't read anywhere that he wanted anything wider.  He does say he has uprated the suspension so I did assume he wanted a high performance tire. I have researched this for my own cars and am confident the 205 is fine on a 6inch rim.  If I ever get my TR8 put together I plan on a set of 205/55/14 either Yokahamas or Kumos for it.  It has 14"Panasports.  I'd rather have 15s but at the time they weren't available and I can't justify the cost of another set.

     


    72 MGB 80 TR8
    Pittsburgh PA
  •  05-17-2007, 10:03 AM 6970 in reply to 6962

    Re: 15 inch Panasports

    Underdog-

    I agree. I'm probably airing a pet peeve. Another thing to consider when buying tires is if the size you want is even available in the compound that is stickiest. Stickiness makes up for a ton of other errors. I guess I'm talking about a perfect world with my suggestions. However, what I said is true.

    LCJUTILA 

  •  05-17-2007, 9:05 PM 6989 in reply to 6970

    Re: 15 inch Panasports

    I appreciate everyone's imput. I've been on Tire Rack's website and it seems that some 205s have slightly narrower tread. Also, the Miata site shows 205/50/15s to have only a very slight change in speedo. I'll probably try the 205s
    Larry


    1962 TR4, 1973 TR6, 1981 TR8
  •  05-18-2007, 2:29 PM 7004 in reply to 6917

    Re: 15 inch Panasports

    Larry:

    The TR6 on your Avatar threw me for a while. I'm doing about the exact same modifications to my TR8, so we can learn about this together. Panasport just changed the wheel design, and we received the delayed shipment a few days ago. A warning, we hadn't had a chance to flag these wheels yet, but according to Panasport the new wheels do require a 17mm lugnut. The ones we were carrying have too large a head for the new design wheels.

    My check book couldn't cover a set of wheels in addition to the rack rebuild, springs, shocks, bushings and bars so you are a jump ahead of me.

    I do need to check the offset of the new wheels to ensure that the tire sizes I recomended are still going to fit ok, as the above recomendations were based on the old FS wheel and the new wheels are FZ whatever that means.

     I was planning on running the 205/50-15 on my car and after doing research it is still up in the air as to whether there may be some slight rubbing on the rear. As you noted the tire widths are not uniform between brands.

    Let me know where you are at with the tire search and I'll see what help I can give.


    Kelvin Dodd
    Global Sourcing Engineer
    Moss Motors, Ltd.
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  •  05-18-2007, 3:45 PM 7007 in reply to 7004

    Re: 15 inch Panasports

    I got you phone message and I appreciate the warning. I was planning on buying tires on Monday, so I guess I'll hold off.
    Larry


    1962 TR4, 1973 TR6, 1981 TR8
  •  06-04-2007, 11:26 AM 7411 in reply to 7007

    Re: 15 inch Panasports

    Just to update on the installation of my suspension and wheels.

    I finished my new suspension on my TR8. All went very well, but I ran into two problems which probably cost me about three hours.

    1. The first issue was that the poly bushings that came from TSI came with metal sleeves which did not fit the stock bolts. I solved this problem by reusing the old metal sleeves by burning off the old rubber bushings.
    2. The second issue was trying to fit the uprated sway bar from TSI.  I went to the the hardware store and bought a cable pulley shown in the picture below.

    Next step will be a front end alignment on Thursday. In my intial test drive it would appear as though I will not have any rubbing issues.



    Cable pulley on sway bar


    Larry


    1962 TR4, 1973 TR6, 1981 TR8
  •  06-04-2007, 12:36 PM 7414 in reply to 7411

    Re: 15 inch Panasports

    I will add my own personal "DOH!" to the thread. I also assumed we were talking about a TR-6. Note to self:: Read the heading, then think, then respond.
    Motorbill
    From Lola to Land Rover, If it's British and has wheels, it's likely I've bloodied me knuckles thereupon
  •  07-30-2007, 4:08 PM 8641 in reply to 7411

    Re: 15 inch Panasports

    Ok, so how about some more feedback? The photos looked great. What brand tires did you finally go with and did you have any rubbing problems?

     

    Handling?

    Enquiring minds and all that. My box of new suspension bits is still sitting on the shop floor, but I did finish painting the last of the bits yesterday.


    Kelvin Dodd
    Global Sourcing Engineer
    Moss Motors, Ltd.
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    Disclaimer: Working on automobiles is inherently dangerous. Moss Motors, Ltd. is not liable for injury or damage due to incorrect installation or use of their products. All products are sold with the understanding that the safe and proper installation and use of the products is the customer’s responsibility. Follow factory workshop manual procedures and instructions, but use current shop safety standards and common sense. Some tasks will require professional advice or services which Moss Motors cannot provide.