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Finding TDC on a flathead engine

Last post 01-06-2009, 12:42 PM by enfoprefect. 55 replies.
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  •  04-15-2007, 5:23 PM 6224 in reply to 6213

    Re: Finding TDC on a flathead engine

    Enfo,

    I ain't embarassed. I believed you when you said there was NO other cover to reference. However, now you've taken all the fun out of it. Thanks a lot, buddy.


    Motorbill
    From Lola to Land Rover, If it's British and has wheels, it's likely I've bloodied me knuckles thereupon
  •  04-15-2007, 5:37 PM 6226 in reply to 6224

    Re: Finding TDC on a flathead engine

    Do these post have a copyright?TravelParadiseDrinks
  •  04-15-2007, 5:41 PM 6228 in reply to 6226

    Re: Finding TDC on a flathead engine

    Do you have a copyright on all those weird little pictures you put after your post. Is it code for ,"I'm going to fly to a tropical island and get drunk"?
    Motorbill
    From Lola to Land Rover, If it's British and has wheels, it's likely I've bloodied me knuckles thereupon
  •  04-15-2007, 5:46 PM 6229 in reply to 6228

    Re: Finding TDC on a flathead engine

    Not quite Bill. I said I no longer have the cover. Hey, can I help it if my memory is getting old? Man, I do feel dumb now though. Maybe I'll just have a Drinks and call it a night.
    Bayless
    Never express yourself more clearly than you can think
    '48 Prefect
    '67 Sprite (project)
  •  04-15-2007, 7:17 PM 6230 in reply to 6229

    Re: Finding TDC on a flathead engine

    Fellow Sick British Car Enthusiasts-

    Way Ahead of you. I'm already having a drink AND doing my taxes. I wonder if they're related!?

    LCJUTILA 

  •  04-15-2007, 7:50 PM 6231 in reply to 6228

    Re: Finding TDC on a flathead engine

    Yeah,motorbill;with all the money I could make on the book!  Oh,yeah, I'd buy the plane. You know how to fly? TravelParadiseDrinksDrinksand wimmins!!
  •  04-16-2007, 9:47 AM 6241 in reply to 6231

    Re: Finding TDC on a flathead engine

    Poolboy,

    Sure, If I can find the airplane, I can fly it.... You know the old pilot's rule, don't you?... Don't smoke within six hours of flying, and don't drink within 50 feet of the airplane.  Seriously....


    Motorbill
    From Lola to Land Rover, If it's British and has wheels, it's likely I've bloodied me knuckles thereupon
  •  01-05-2009, 10:02 AM 17557 in reply to 6241

    Re: Finding TDC on a flathead engine

    Hello--I'm just barging into this old thread I found by accident.  I'm a Ford flathead V8 person, and have followed this trail on those engines...  As noted above, any visual method is only accurate within about three degrees.  I believe the water method is going to be essentially just another visual path...you still have to deal with that 3 degrees with no motion.

    I was flabbergasted when I discovered this for myself many years ago, when I bought a dial indicator and discovered the broad results.  I really did not believe my own eyes until I found a Smoley Yunick explanation decades later.

    Here is a workable interference method for a Ford with plugs over the valves and no direct access:  Take a fairly big tie-wrap, the sort of plastic belt thing used to bundle wiring.  You want one that is maybe a foot long and has a hefty buckle, close to a quarter inch thick.  I find mine at the base of a telephone pole near my house...lineman seems to drop more than he uses.

    Slide the buckle in through the plug hole and get it up against the far cylinder wall...wiggle it a bit to try to find that farthest part of wall.  Have a sober assistant hold it in place and rotate the engine til it stops against the buckle in both directions, marking each point on the pulley and taking the center point as TDC.  Repeat the test several times to control against false results from accidentally moving the stop.  Within the following limits, you have now located TDC and can mark any required degrees from that point.

    The limits have to do with the offset crank...travel in each direction is slightly different in distance versus degrees, and so there is a slight error findable by math that is beyond me.  The difference is trivial, I believe.  It can be reduced by moving the stop point farther down the bore, but of course you cannot with head on.  I believe this method as I have posted to be a satisfactory approach to accuracy.

  •  01-05-2009, 10:48 AM 17559 in reply to 17557

    Re: Finding TDC on a flathead engine

    Thanks Bruce. It does sound like that method may just work. I will give it a try.

     


    Bayless
    Never express yourself more clearly than you can think
    '48 Prefect
    '67 Sprite (project)
  •  01-05-2009, 2:19 PM 17562 in reply to 17559

    Re: Finding TDC on a flathead engine

    I know this is an old thread, but whilst reading it, another method occurred to me:

    It's basically the piston stop method, but using an electrical contact in place of a physical stop. a stiff piece of  wire e.g. coathanger is arranged to feed into the cylinder (it should probably have a sharp tip to pierce deposits on the piston top. It should also be insulated so that the only contact possible is at the piston.

    A continuity meter/ ohm meter is then connected between the engine block and the piston touch wire. The point of contact is established for each direction of crank rotation just as in the physical method. If the wire is suitably secured, this should be accurate.

     Cheers

    Ed


    I want my MGB
  •  01-06-2009, 12:42 PM 17572 in reply to 17562

    Re: Finding TDC on a flathead engine

    That sounds workable too Ed. It might even let get get a bit farther down the cylinder for more accuracy too. Now if it ever warms up again so I can get back to work...

     


    Bayless
    Never express yourself more clearly than you can think
    '48 Prefect
    '67 Sprite (project)
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