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Anyone change out the brake and turn signal lights out for LEDs?

Last post 07-01-2009, 4:19 PM by spike africa. 4 replies.
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  •  06-30-2009, 10:20 AM 19996

    Anyone change out the brake and turn signal lights out for LEDs?

    I am having a new problem where I don't have enough power to turn the flasher on when the car is off and the headlights are on. Even with the motor running sometimes doesn't allow for enough power. Plus the fact that my old bulbs are kinda dim and I would rather people see the car then hit it. I have decided to upgrade to some LED bulbs for less power usage and more light output (with the correct LED numbers this is possible). Just wondering if anyone else has done this? A side benifit is that because they take less power to run they should also make the turn signals blink faster which would be nice because these old school flashers blink so very slowly. I'm getting all my bulbs from www.superbrightleds.com I will post up some before and after pics later on once I get them here. 


    1954 MG TF 1250cc
    Fully restored
    She's a driver not a show car.
  •  06-30-2009, 1:45 PM 20000 in reply to 19996

    Re: Anyone change out the brake and turn signal lights out for LEDs?

    Spike, I don't think that lower power bulbs will make the signals flash quicker, in fact they should do just the opposite and make them flash slower. The common automotive flasher unit uses a bimetalic contact that bends as it heats up and opens the circuit then straightens as it cools and re connects. The lower the current in the system the slower it flashes because it heats up slower. That's why when you have an burned out bulb on most systems you don't get a flash on that side, not enough current through one bulb to heat up the element. Check with superbrightleds and see what type of flasher they recommend, you might have to upgrade to a solid state flasher unit to get things working.

    As for the original problem, I realize that the headlights take a lot of current, but I suspect that you have a poor connection somewhere in the system that is dropping your voltage with the headlights on and causing the slow or non flash. A good battery should be more than able to supply enough amperage at 12v to run both the headlights and flashers, it uses many times more current to run the starter. I think that if you sort out the resistance problem either in the power side or ground you will be more than pleased with the illumination from the signals.


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  •  06-30-2009, 4:59 PM 20004 in reply to 19996

    Re: Anyone change out the brake and turn signal lights out for LEDs?

    The LEDs are designed to work with a negative-ground system only.  I went thru the same "what if" exercise about a year ago, and as far as I could tell, no one makes positive-ground LEDs.
  •  07-01-2009, 12:12 AM 20006 in reply to 20000

    Re: Anyone change out the brake and turn signal lights out for LEDs?

    Bill is absolutely right about the LEDs and the flasher unit, not only will them make the flasher slower, they will not draw enough current to make the flasher cycle at all.  He is also right about high resistance connections in the electrical system.  I just wrote th efollowing for an individual having a similar problem in his TD.  If you take a look at how the base of the side light socket (and the ground pin of your head light bulb) gets to the positive side of the battery, it becomes very apparent that there are a whole bunch of connections that contribute to it.  From the side light socket, the ground connection is through the mounting screw that holds the light assembly to the fender, the bolt that holds the fender to the frame, the bolt that holds the scuttle to the frame and the bolt that holds the battery ground strap to the scuttle and finally the clamp that holds the ground strap to the battery terminal.  We can discount the ground strap to battery terminal connection, because that is normally cleaned during periodic  maintenance.   All the other connections were probably never cleaned of paint where the bolts hole them together, plus the normal corrosion over the years and as a result all contribute to the resistance that is in the ground path.  The path for ground to the head lights is even worse (on a TD) with the swivel mounting of the bucket on the bracket.  The best (if not the most practical) way to correct this situation is to run a separate ground wire to each light socket from the scuttle of the car.  A more practical approach is what I have written in the article, Electrical Connection Preparation in the Other Tech Articles section of my web site at: http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/  Look at the part of the article relating to ground connections - that needs to be applied to each of the points I listed above between the light socket and the scuttle.


    Cheers,
    Dave
    http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/
  •  07-01-2009, 4:19 PM 20024 in reply to 20006

    Re: Anyone change out the brake and turn signal lights out for LEDs?

    Thanks for the heads up guys. I have just started out my search for LED bulbs and have not come across anything saying they can't work on negative ground systems. I will have to ask them about this. I know there is an electrical issue of course (its a British car how can't it lol) I am working on tracing it right now.

     

    And ddubois thanks for that info and link I am checking that all out right now. As usual the MG community is a great place for help. 


    1954 MG TF 1250cc
    Fully restored
    She's a driver not a show car.