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Breif severe smoking a few minutes after startup

Last post 09-08-2011, 6:12 PM by Michael503. 20 replies.
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  •  12-01-2010, 8:12 PM 25010 in reply to 25003

    Re: Breif severe smoking a few minutes after startup

    The air pump wouldn't be the problem because it just pumps about 6lbs of air in the exhaust ports to burn residual gas and pumps air in the intake manifold when you decelerate to reduce the vacuum in the intake manifold to reduce the rich fuel mixture.

    I'm thinking the problem is due to extra crankcase pressure due to ring blow by.

    Have you run a compression test.   dry and wet ?    That would give you idea of where you are on cylinder wear.

    Also worn intake valve guides can allow oil do travel down the valve stem and drip into the cylinder.

    Your intake valves should have those little valve stem seals to prevent excessive oil from running down the valve stem.

    Possibly replacing the valve stem seals would improve your issue if your not getting excess blow by.





    Mike
    69 Midget since 69
    Not sure who shows the most wear
  •  12-09-2010, 10:44 AM 25034 in reply to 25010

    Re: Breif severe smoking a few minutes after startup

    After much research I found the answer needed to solve the problem of oil getting sucked from the oil seperator into the carburetors. EBAY.UK

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230559741783&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

    I've ordered 2 of these for my 2 midgets.  Thanks to all that helped!!!!    Kayakdon

  •  12-09-2010, 12:44 PM 25035 in reply to 25034

    Re: Breif severe smoking a few minutes after startup

    Well, I'm skeptical but good luck with it. Let us know how it works.

     


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  •  12-10-2010, 1:29 PM 25038 in reply to 25035

    Re: Breif severe smoking a few minutes after startup

    I don't think this will help with the oil that is getting in to the cylinders prior to startup. Oil that is sucked in to the carbs during running will burn off (partially at least) and dissapear as mist to the exhaust. Does your car use a lot of oil with normal running?

    That you have oil in the cylinders at start-up sounds like worn valve guides, as covered in Hoggie's post. Take off the rocker cover and try to push the valve stems sideways (left, right fore and aft) and see if there is much play. My car displayed similar symptoms, and the guides were worn to the point that there was noticable "wiggle" in the valves. Of course, everything else turned out to be worn to unravelling too.... Be careful not to dig too deep ;-)

    Cheers,

    Ed


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  •  02-10-2011, 2:27 PM 25261 in reply to 25034

    Re: Breif severe smoking a few minutes after startup

    kayakdon:

    After much research I found the answer needed to solve the problem of oil getting sucked from the oil seperator into the carburetors. EBAY.UK

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230559741783&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

    I've ordered 2 of these for my 2 midgets.  Thanks to all that helped!!!!    Kayakdon

     

    Did it work?

    I guess many people here would like some feedback since the problem is quite unusual as I see it.

    Personally I doubt that these will work but I hope they do!


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  •  09-08-2011, 6:12 PM 26057 in reply to 25261

    Re: Breif severe smoking a few minutes after startup

    Well after a few years of experimentation, I confirmed the problem.  It is the Evap canister...its not defective, the design is.   Disconnecting the canister hose from the valve cover completely eliminates any smoking on startup or, as originally stated, after about a mile of running.  It also stabilizes the idle and makes it reliable, whether cold or hot.  I do not remember a stable idle back in 1979 when I owned my first one.

    As best I can tell, vapors from the tank contaminate the oil and cause it to behave  differently, as well as cook out into the carbs at an unpredictable rate.  They also promote condensation in the crankcase.

    To eliminate the issue, a vented cap can be fitted and the cover nipple plugged, or if you don't care, the nipple can be left open.  The problem is, as far as I know,  is that it is a violation of EPA laws to do so.

    A better solution would be a vacuum or electrically operated valve between the evap and breather system. to isolate the fumes when the engine is not running.  I may look into this.  I wonder how they handle this on modern vehicles?

     

    Anyway, I thought I would post what I had found.


    -Michael
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