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Conversion to electronic ignition

Last post 08-23-2009, 7:26 PM by lcjutila. 25 replies.
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  •  01-23-2008, 9:30 PM 12753 in reply to 12751

    Re: Conversion to electronic ignition

    davey,

    Maybe we're saying the same basic thing. My reasoning for believing that the optical system is superior lies in what I understand to be the way a Hall Effect switch works. The switching occurs at the instant that the ferrite rod begins to LEAVE the field of the coil. The inaccuracy occurs because the distributor components, especially the shaft to bushing and upper shaft to lower shaft clearances cannot be perfect, and that because of wear which has certainly taken place, or will take place. Since the engine runs at different speeds, accellerating and decellerating, That shaft, and therefore the ferrite rods, will move radially relative to the coil, sometimes inward, sometimes outward, and with no great consistancy, sometimes even varying in cycles or sometimes in random patterns. This variation, in a fairly worn system, can actually be pretty significant. An ocilloscope set to raster patern will show this. Since an optical system uses a radially slotted "chopper" disc, this variability is far far less of a factor. This can also be demonstrated with a 'scope. The amount by which this matters in a healthy system doesn't amount to a hill of electrons, but in a worn system, as I stated, it counts quite a bit. But wait, there's more...

    This may be the reason I say the optical systems are more accurate, but it's not my major reason for preferring the Crane unit. I LIKE the external amplifier, and I believe it helps starting and low speed spark production and performance. Obviously, I don't have your command of scientific language to explain all this, but that there is what I think. Am I splitting hairs? Perhaps, but I think they are pretty thick hairs. On the other hand, maybe I just like the optical systems because I can more readily identify with them. I used to work with a good friend part time in his precision optical business. I like light!! I've been fascinated with optical sensing units, I admit, since I was a small lad and my dad brought home an "electric eye" for me and him to mess around with. I was dumbstruck fifty years ago, to think that just by shining or not shining a lamp on a thing with wires attatched, I could turn stuff on and off, or make a galvanometer dance around. God, we've come a ways, haven't we? Cheers.


    Motorbill
    From Lola to Land Rover, If it's British and has wheels, it's likely I've bloodied me knuckles thereupon
  •  01-24-2008, 7:47 AM 12756 in reply to 12753

    Re: Conversion to electronic ignition

    Hi

    Always great when a post illicits such knowledgeable responses. It does not take a rocket scientist to work out that optical is the way to go.  However, my bank manager did not see it the same way [:'(]  So, due to economics I am going with the Magnetronic set up.  One day when I am all growed up I will hopefully be able to replace this with the Optronic set up.  At least till then I have cost effectively illiminated points and condensors.

    Thanks everyone!

    D

  •  01-24-2008, 10:01 AM 12759 in reply to 12756

    Re: Conversion to electronic ignition

    Darrel,

    Don't worry about it, man, you're doing fine with the Magnetronic. Have fun.


    Motorbill
    From Lola to Land Rover, If it's British and has wheels, it's likely I've bloodied me knuckles thereupon
  •  01-24-2008, 1:24 PM 12765 in reply to 12753

    Re: Conversion to electronic ignition

    Ditto, The Petronix will be fine. Like I said before, you'll be glad just to get rid of the points.

     Good luck!


    On their death bed, nobody ever said, "Gee I wish I'd spent more time at work!"

    '68 Sprite 1275
    '76 Midget 1500
  •  01-25-2008, 8:48 PM 12805 in reply to 12753

    Re: Conversion to electronic ignition

    Just for edification useable at cocktail parties; there are two types of Hall-Effect sensors, Unipolar and Bipolar. My guess is that unipolars are used for electronic ignitions.

    Unipolars make when introduced to a South Pole magnetic field and open when the field is gone. Similarly, Bipolars make when introduced to a South Pole magnetic field, but stay connected untill they are introduced to a North Pole magnetic field.

    What will those crazy kids at M.I.T. think of next?!


    On their death bed, nobody ever said, "Gee I wish I'd spent more time at work!"

    '68 Sprite 1275
    '76 Midget 1500
  •  08-22-2009, 7:48 AM 20761 in reply to 12542

    Re: Conversion to electronic ignition

    After installing the Petronix, which is easy, the instructions state time in the normal manner.. The Lucas 25D distributor timing is done statically when the contacts begin to separate.  With no contacts to monitor, does anyone have a sure fire procedure to find the timing?
  •  08-22-2009, 7:58 AM 20762 in reply to 20761

    Re: Conversion to electronic ignition

    Yes, it's done dynamically.

    Disconnect the vacuum advance tube and run the engine at 1000 RPM.

    Twist the dizzy to advance, retard the timing mark on the harmonic balancer.


    On their death bed, nobody ever said, "Gee I wish I'd spent more time at work!"

    '68 Sprite 1275
    '76 Midget 1500
  •  08-22-2009, 8:15 AM 20763 in reply to 20762

    Re: Conversion to electronic ignition

    Darrel, We installed a Pertronix in my sons Mini (276cam, 10:1 ratio, Weber 45, 1.5:1 lifters, etc.) with good results. You will be glad to get rid of points and setting them. Do not forget to service your distributor so it is as "new" as possible. Not much sense in putting anything in it if it is worn out. I live in Lima, Peru and it is fairly unexpensive to have new busshings installed. We do have to import most parts though. Do not forget to tell us what you did and how it came out. Good luck!

    Alfonso 

  •  08-22-2009, 8:52 AM 20765 in reply to 20762

    Re: Conversion to electronic ignition

    Hi guys,

    Just to be annoying, you can static time a distributor with the Crane unit installed using that handy diagnostic LED mounted on the external amplifier...


    Motorbill
    From Lola to Land Rover, If it's British and has wheels, it's likely I've bloodied me knuckles thereupon
  •  08-23-2009, 11:26 AM 20782 in reply to 20765

    Re: Conversion to electronic ignition

    mb66...Cool feature! I didn't know about that.

    And BTW, you could never be annoying, but keep trying anyway!


    On their death bed, nobody ever said, "Gee I wish I'd spent more time at work!"

    '68 Sprite 1275
    '76 Midget 1500
  •  08-23-2009, 7:26 PM 20791 in reply to 20782

    Re: Conversion to electronic ignition

    Davey-

    Mbill never being annoying? You're kidding, right? After all... He is from New Jersey.

    LCJUTILA

    P.S. I should know. I'm annoying and I'm also from New Jersey. 

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