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In an effort to avoid public scrutiny, California Assemblyman Dave Jones (Assemblymember.jones@assembly.ca.gov) has amended a completely unrelated bill with language to require annual Smog check inspections for vehicles 15-years old and older.  This represents an obvious attempt to sneak through legislation in the closing days of the legislative session that had been previously defeated (A.B. 616).  The new bill is designated as A.B. 3053.

While pre-1976 motor vehicles would remain exempt under existing California law, this proposal ignores the fact that vehicles 15-years old and older still constitute a small portion of the overall vehicle population and are a poor source from which to look for emissions reduction.  Furthermore, the bill would direct that the funds generated through annual inspection fees be used to scrap older cars.  This represents another attempt by California legislators and regulators to scapegoat older cars.

This is the type of activity that fuels distrust in public officials.  SEMA caught this lawmaker’s underhanded attempt to circumvent public process and is now calling on you to help defeat A.B 3053 before it’s too late. 

Time is of the Essence!  We Urge You to Call the California Senate Appropriations Committee (List Below) Immediately to Oppose A.B. 3053

California Senate Appropriations Committee

Senator Tom Torlakson – Chair
Phone: 916/651-4007
Email: senator.torlakson@sen.ca.gov

Senator Dave Cox
Phone: 916/651-4001
Email: senator.cox@sen.ca.gov

Senator Sam Aanestad
Phone: 916/651-4004
Email: senator.aanestad@sen.ca.gov

Senator Roy Ashburn
Phone: 916/651-4018
Email: senator.ashburn@sen.ca.gov

Senator Gilbert Cedillo
Phone: 916/651-4022
Email: senator.cedillo@sen.ca.gov

Senator Ellen Corbett
Phone: 916/651-4010

Senator Robert Dutton
Phone: 916/651-4031
Email: senator.dutton@sen.ca.gov

Senator Dean Florez
Phone: 916/651-4016
Email: senator.florez@sen.ca.gov

Senator Sheila Kuehl
Phone: 916/651-4023
Email: senator.kuehl@sen.ca.gov

Senator Jenny Oropeza
Phone: 916/651-4028

Senator Mark Ridley-Thomas
Phone: 916/651-4026

Senator George Runner
Phone: 916/651-4017
Email: senator.runner@sen.ca.gov

Senator Joe Simitian
Phone: 916/651-4011
Email: senator.simitian@sen.ca.gov

Senator Mark Wyland
Phone: 916/651-4038

Senator Leland Yee
Phone: 916/651-4008

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John Zarate-Khus
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khusj@mossmotors.com

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And here's some ammunition....

Section 207-C of the Federal Clean Air Act states that there can be no non-conformity (to emission standards) for cars that are passed their "useful life".

"Useful life" is defined in that document as a car that is less than 5 years old, OR has less than 50,000 miles.

What this all means is that according to the federal law (which supercedes state law), if a car has 50,000 miles or more, OR is 5 years old or older, then it is past it's "useful life". The document also goes on to clearly state that emission testing for cars that are "past their useful life" is voluntary on behalf of the owner.    

I cited this section of the Federal Clean Air Act in court (Connecticut) where I defended myself against an emissions violation of an 8 year old car with 92000 miles on it. The case was dismissed. It HAD to be, because if it had made it to trial, the judge would HAVE to defer to the federal law, mandating the entire Connecticut state law to be re-written.

The 5 year, 50000 mile "milestones" were agreed upon back in 1972 when Washington told the big three automakers to produce cleaner, more efficient cars. Their argument was that they could, but they could not garuntee them past 5 years or 50000 miles. The feds agreed. That's where this whole thing came from.

I'm saving the uneccesary details here, but I'm willing to answer any questions that you might have.

When you write your legislators, mention the Federal Clean Air Act, and refer them to section 207-C! 

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On their death bed, nobody ever said, "Gee I wish I'd spent more time at work!"

'68 Sprite 1275
'76 Midget 1500

John-

California classic car enthusiasts are still paying for AB 2683 written by Sally Lieber (D-Mountain View) in 2004. Her bill closed the loophole that vehicles 30 years and older would "drop off" each year and be exempt from emission testing . Only 1975 and earlier vehicles are exempt now due to her legislation and signing by the governator.

This new legislation is just another attempt by the California Senate to grab money out of the pockets of car groups in the name of air quality. This new legislation includes a much larger group of vehicles that would, if passed, raise a sizable chunk of revenue for the state to spend on other programs that the state budget can't afford without finding new venues.

I will be calling my senators to the carpet over this issue, cuz I'm already  _ _ _ ssed about the AB 2683. enough is enough already.

Mike Mann

Highland, Ca

Jose,

 I can appreciate your frustrations and respect your opinions. Perhaps others will as well, but I must say that as the contributor of nearly 2600 posts on this site, yours is the first one that is so overtly political. One of the reasons this site is so friendly and helpful is that we refrain from critical statements concerning controversial areas such as religion, sexuality, and indeed, politics. I am well aware of just what can happen to a site when folks start making political statemnents, and I bet you are too. I have been involved with some, and the result is ALWAYS reactionary anger and alienation. This is not to say that those thibngs have no place on the net; they certainly do. Just not here please.

I hope not to have offended you, and perhaps others will feel differently. If so, they should feel free to chime in. One thing I am NOT is an administrator on this site, so perhaps the official stand would be different. Thanks for listening.

Motorbill

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Motorbill
From Lola to Land Rover, If it's British and has wheels, it's likely I've bloodied me knuckles thereupon

Hear-Hear Motorbill-

However, there is nothing as overtly political as the age old question:

Which way should the roll of toilet paper be install?

Over the front or

Over the back?

THAT IS REAL CONTROVERSY!!!!!!!!!!!

LCJUTILA 

hi Motorbill,

THIS IS a political post: Let's look at the title of THIS post: 

"Time is of the Essence!  We Urge You to Call

the California Senate Appropriations Committee Immediately

to Oppose A.B. 3053".

 

in other words:  this post is about extremist politicians trying to usurp and oppress the Collector Car community,  just like other extremists try to usurp the rights of other Americans.  As to the correct way of dispensing toilet paper, how do you dispense Duct Tape?

From the front.

 

Jose

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1984 Jaguar XJ-6
1965 Jaguar 3.8 'S'

Yes!

And as we are all aware, there really is only 1 way to properly install that toilet paper! 

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On their death bed, nobody ever said, "Gee I wish I'd spent more time at work!"

'68 Sprite 1275
'76 Midget 1500

Jose,

I'm sorry, but I must disagree. The original post was pretty much informational, not so opinionated. Your post was far ranging and expressed opinions on many other subjects about which this site IS NOT. In fact, even this last post of yours expresses the view that these people are extremist politicans and speaks of usurpation of the rights of Americans.

It is one thing to bring up legislation concerning automobiles, which are indeed what this site is about. It is not here to serve as your own political soapbox. Please consider that if we all started doing this we would no longer have an enthusiast's forum. We would have an angry (like you) political, philosophical, and divisive mess.

Thank you

Motorbill66

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Motorbill
From Lola to Land Rover, If it's British and has wheels, it's likely I've bloodied me knuckles thereupon

you don't have to agree with what I say;  By your own admission, you are not the Moderator, you need to change the channel if you don't like what you see, but you sound like you are the kind that want to control what all the channels show.

Plenty of other posts here for you to comment about. If the Moderator decides to delete my reply, so be it. But you've gone from "I respect your opinion" to trying to prejudice my reply.

Sounds like extremism to me.   

for your information, we DO HAVE an angry, philosophical, and divisive mess, in this country. It is reflected in all these Extreme Legislative Bills.  You can't live in denial forever.

 

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1984 Jaguar XJ-6
1965 Jaguar 3.8 'S'

Jose-

I know duct tape has 1001 uses ...but as toilet paper!?!?

I'm not so sure I agree. However, I'm not the moderator of this forum!

Toilet paper could be used for this bill because I think, politics aside, it stinks!

Oh, and Motorbill doesn't live in denial...I think he lives in Colorado. That's just close to denial. I think Denial is located in Sacramento, California.

Love to all!

LCJUTILA 

Jose,

Please, If I want a politics fix, I know where to tune.

Motorbill was correct (notice I didn't use the word "right"), when he wrote that the original post was about car LEGISLATION, not political views.

At the risk of falling into the crevasse myself, I'll just keep simple and ask that you refrain from political opinion here. Discuss it all you want at the bar, tractor-pull, or revival meetings, but please, I ask you as a considerate person, let's keep this forum about cars.

I too have a long history on this forum, and I'd really like to keep it about British cars coupled with the occasional jocularity. 

Thanks! 

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On their death bed, nobody ever said, "Gee I wish I'd spent more time at work!"

'68 Sprite 1275
'76 Midget 1500

Davey-

Agreed. British cars, jocularity,...and the 1001 uses of duct tape. That would be a forum!

Peace Out! 

Official reply from this Moderator: 

The original post was not political.

Jose's first reply includes only topics of a political nature. Those are not appropriate in this Forum. Please REREAD OUR CODE OF CONDUCT here.

Stated in that code, I quote: "Example of "Over The Line" Topics ... 4.Highly divisive, controversial issues such as religion, gun control, politics, etc. There are more appropriate forums on the web for this."

Being said, and because other members have argued against Jose's first reply, I will now lock this thread for replies and remove Jose's original post.

Christine 

 

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Christine Knight
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Disclaimer:Working on automobiles is inherently dangerous. Moss Motors, Ltd. is not liable for injury or damage due to incorrect installation or use of their products. All products are sold with the understanding that the safe and proper installation and use of the products is the customer’s responsibility. Follow factory workshop manual procedures and instructions, but use current shop safety standards and common sense. Some tasks will require professional advice or services which Moss Motors cannot provide.